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[Update] Enhanced player profile page

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Sv: [Update] Enhanced player profile page

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It's just a shame that those of us who still use laptops for MZ have an extremely bad experience with this new set-up

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Keep the design but bring back the coloured icons.

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tiger13 wrote:
It's just a shame that those of us who still use laptops for MZ have an extremely bad experience with this new set-up


Even on mobile it sucks.

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i really welcome the new update, absolutely make sense to have such view even on PCs
but i must agree with other fellows, i really miss the colours of these buttons. i didnt even know the figures on the button, always guiding myself with the respective colours

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- The different colors of the buttons used to help quickly finding what's wanted. For example the the orange training camp button or the black observe button (now they all are black). I miss it.

- When all tactics a player is situated in were visible at once, it was easy to for example sort the overview by players that are part of friendly tactic 1, scroll through them and see which of them are also part of friendly tactic 2. Now you have to click into the tactics sub-chooser for every single player. That's increasing the work.

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[FLU]
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aquarius wrote:
- The different colors of the buttons used to help quickly finding what's wanted. For example the the orange training camp button or the black observe button (now they all are black). I miss it.

- When all tactics a player is situated in were visible at once, it was easy to for example sort the overview by players that are part of friendly tactic 1, scroll through them and see which of them are also part of friendly tactic 2. Now you have to click into the tactics sub-chooser for every single player. That's increasing the work.


Totally agree. Very bad changes on this point!

Sv: [Update] Enhanced player profile page

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You don't see if the player is training with a coach or not until you're fully into the training graphs?

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[FLU]
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Having to click on the combo box to see what tactics the player is on is also really bad.

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[RAF]
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Good addition with all the YTC and TC info, plus the compact view.

I agree that:
- coloured buttons (sell, TC etc.) were better and easy to use;
- form smileys are also a must;
- tactics buttons were better, if they could be cramped in the screen independently (not as a scroll menu).

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I don't see players' skills on transfers shortlist


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aquarius wrote:
- The different colors of the buttons used to help quickly finding what's wanted. For example the the orange training camp button or the black observe button (now they all are black). I miss it.

- When all tactics a player is situated in were visible at once, it was easy to for example sort the overview by players that are part of friendly tactic 1, scroll through them and see which of them are also part of friendly tactic 2. Now you have to click into the tactics sub-chooser for every single player. That's increasing the work.


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Oh - new design -> they work so much, doesnĀ“t matter that we have get used to it..

What IĀ“ve asked for, for years, they didnĀ“t do, seems to hard to program (maybe some new people are needed?) - there is
still the mistake on the squad numbers page:



Seems the mz heads are doing what they want, what users want is often ignored and not fixing the errors which should be easy to fix is looking very arrogant, looking lordly ...

players with a hyphen in the name still donĀ“t show their skills ..
thatĀ“s really annoying, cause I sort my players depending on the amount of their skill-balls ..

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Its ugly, cramped and unclear.

Please bring back the colored buttons at least. And smileys for player's satisfaction.

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Horrible update, please bring back the colored buttons and form smileys!

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.. and they brought back the waste-box
on the shortlist page Ā°!Ā°
so you can easily fire a player there..
or accidentally,
for instance you donĀ“t wanna
watch the player anymore, have just bought him
and fire him instead of removing him from the shortlist..

Who needs to fire a player in the shortlist?

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Also, MZExtension (Colorable Skill) is not working anymore.

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btw.:
the new design looks better, clearer imo ..
but it isnĀ“t!

- itĀ“s less practicable, e revision with the best from both
"worlds" needs to be done.

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civilu wrote:

- tactics buttons were better, if they could be cramped in the screen independently (not as a scroll menu).

I assume this decision was due to the named tactics, I would be happy with at least the tactic letter if space is the issue.

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Please, add the colors back to the icons again!!! Now, they all are black which makes it harder to distinguish.

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kristti86 wrote:
Horrible update, please bring back the colored buttons and form smileys!


Many sites updating to colorless icons, I hate the designer guru who created them.

Years the game designers fighting with CGA colors to come back to monochrome!

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Please, add back the player balls to the "Shortlist". Otherwise following the market is way too hard!

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They ruined it. Not everything has to be tweaked to death. There are still issues with the engine and the shambles of new payment processor that needs addressing. The UI is the least of our problems

Odp: [Update] Enhanced player profile page

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Bring back the colored buttons and form smileys!

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wanxurevenge wrote:
Please, add back the player balls to the "Shortlist". Otherwise following the market is way too hard!


Agree.

Other than that, I don't see any major problems so far.

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aquarius wrote:
- The different colors of the buttons used to help quickly finding what's wanted. For example the the orange training camp button or the black observe button (now they all are black). I miss it.

- When all tactics a player is situated in were visible at once, it was easy to for example sort the overview by players that are part of friendly tactic 1, scroll through them and see which of them are also part of friendly tactic 2. Now you have to click into the tactics sub-chooser for every single player. That's increasing the work.

TOTALLY AGREE!


becelhajs wrote:
I don't see players' skills on transfers shortlist


THIS IS WORST!

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wanxurevenge wrote:
Please, add back the player balls to the "Shortlist"...

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killerbeeez wrote:
They ruined it. Not everything has to be tweaked to death. .... The UI is the least of our problems

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we are no beta-testers!

I think the best is to bring back the old UI version ...
then fixing important stuff, real errors etc. ...
and then, after a looong time .. (of thinking^^)
maybe make a new design,
the keywords for that would be: small steps!

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MZ is a game that mainly gets or keeps users who knew the game more than 10 years ago. Changing something that is the calling card of the game (in my opinion change is not good either), is a bad decision at the company's sales level.

I hope you take note of your users' opinions and come back.

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We have now fixed a bug that caused balls/pucks to not display correctly on the shortlist, when a player is on the transfer.

Regarding colors on the buttons, there is already an explosion of colors on the player cards, in particular in certain cases (such as if a player is retiring). So in an effort to minimize color pollution we would like to keep the colors down to as few as possible. The icons are hopefully somewhat clear and will remain in the same order, which means it will become easier to find the correct button as time goes on and we become accustomed to them.

Regarding form smileys, we added the text to make it more clear what is going on with a player's form, since the smileys weren't very clear. However if many of you want a quick visual cue we might be persuaded to add some sort of color indication (for instance making the form icon red when a player has poor form).

Odp: [Update] Enhanced player profile page

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powdersnow wrote:

The icons are hopefully somewhat clear and will remain in the same order, which means it will become easier to find the correct button as time goes on and we become accustomed to them.


NO! the icons are not easier to find - JUST NO! Previous colored icons were easy to find, new black icons are NOT EASIER!!

powdersnow wrote:

Regarding form smileys, we added the text to make it more clear what is going on with a player's form, since the smileys weren't very clear.


NOT TRUE! Smileys were clear and easy to indicate. The new ones are UNCLEAR!


OMG, this change is terrible, what were you thinking???

Sv: [Update] Enhanced player profile page

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I agree with vill, I do not see your arguments for why this is better as true. I am trying to be open minded since it's an update that needs time to get used to, but I really don't see why this update is made. No one has ever complained about the player profile page? The updates are just making the page look worse

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powdersnow wrote:
... color pollution ...


Ā°!Ā° is that sth that has to do with global warming Ā°?Ā°
.. never heard of that problem before!

fact is we all are used to the colors .. maybe you can lighten the colors and make the black framing lines a bit smoother, but taking away the colors of the icons makes ist just more difficult to find the right button!
I think itĀ“s the wrong way to make the use of the UI harder (even for long time users) just because youĀ“re afraid of sth called color pollution...

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[RAF]
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powdersnow wrote:
We have now fixed a bug that caused balls/pucks to not display correctly on the shortlist, when a player is on the transfer.

Regarding colors on the buttons, [...] an effort to minimize color pollution ...

Regarding form smileys, [...] if many of you want a quick visual cue we might be persuaded to add some sort of color indication (for instance making the form icon red when a player has poor form).


Thanks for the fast answer and...
- while I can understand owners being able to discretionary decide on the way their business is intended to run or look,
- however I don't understand how you got to the conclusion of "colour pollution" - it you were to make a poll in any federation, MZ one or any other, I don't believe this would feature as a MZ problem in the first 20 bullets;
- 80% of sensorial info is received visually (in real life) and in MZ this is 100%; if colours are helpful (and it's already confirmed - another example is the add-on to colour players balls and not only), then I think you are under a false impression re. colour pollution;
- of course we will get used to this but I never thaught I'd see the day in MZ where it's so bluntly pointed out that we will have to do with this, especially since it's done under a false (in the meaning that it is not generally validated) pretense; if you said "this is the new look, in our routo to bla bla", then it would have been fairer!
- how many votes do you think would be needed to bring back small smileys for form (šŸ˜€ happy / šŸ˜ need of / šŸ˜“ tired) instead of the black lightning? Just so that we may organise appropriately...

PS: I know it's hard to satisfy people yet please reconsider the "colour polution" thing, I think it's ok to accept it wasn't the best idea (even if intended well) - especially since it's easy to revert to coloured buttons for options and form.

Ant: [Update] Enhanced player profile page

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Nice try, but no.

Me (not a designer) in 10 minutes:



- full skill name
- colors for HP/LP (add this so we don't have to rely on a chinese extension)
- add percentages on the balls
- nationality added
- birth season added
- redundant mention of 'red/yellow card' and 'goals' removed and made a new symbol
- clear symbols reintroduced for form / TK status
- colors for the other symbols
- display training report and what he trains again as before
- framing tactics clearer


still some things to improve but i think this is more what the users want to see...

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Maybe less colours means less data.
If this helps creating the MZ App, I accept anything.

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The buttons are impersonal and lifeless in my opinion. And of course more difficult to find! If a manager has over 100 players, how much time will he lose from now on? Do you have any idea?
And some info must be more visible. Especially the number of balls/pucks, it's very important. For example, it should be with bold text, just as before.

It's very clear to me that this update was made without having/consulting any test users!

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mihairo wrote:
Maybe less colours means less data.
If this helps creating the MZ App, I accept anything.


..then make a monochrome Ui just for the app ;-)


jerdefox wrote:



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ohhh! ... who nice.. how familiar that looks

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powdersnow wrote:
We have now fixed a bug that caused balls/pucks to not display correctly on the shortlist, when a player is on the transfer.

Regarding colors on the buttons, there is already an explosion of colors on the player cards, in particular in certain cases (such as if a player is retiring). So in an effort to minimize color pollution we would like to keep the colors down to as few as possible. The icons are hopefully somewhat clear and will remain in the same order, which means it will become easier to find the correct button as time goes on and we become accustomed to them.

Regarding form smileys, we added the text to make it more clear what is going on with a player's form, since the smileys weren't very clear. However if many of you want a quick visual cue we might be persuaded to add some sort of color indication (for instance making the form icon red when a player has poor form).


Sorry but I think this was a personal update to suit your own style choices.

This site serves thousands of people on a daily basis and like other users have pointed out the least of our problems is player profile page and some made up term called "color pollution". Not once have I hear anyone complain about that page.

The majority say on this has to stand and this update needs to be rolled all the way back to what it was because everything looks lifeless and without soul and hard to navigate not easier.

I also noticed that any player that has retired who is still on the shortlist page can't be removed; the remove button is missing for such players.

We need meaningful updates like:

- a better way to judge player value that is accurate.

- a better payments processor (Terminal3 is a joke)

- a sim that better reflects a team's current rank in terms of results. As it stands you can lose 7 out of 10 games while being ranked sub 100 which is ridiculous.

- a fairer game over all for teams both club and national teams to progress in competitions because as it stands it's either you're part of the top nations or forget any kind of international cup successes in the game.

Things like these not retrogressive cosmetic UI changes devoid of any consensus.

Also in the future we need to vote on issues regarding UI changes

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kabini wrote:
..then make a monochrome Ui just for the app ;-)



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ohhh! ... who nice.. how familiar that looks


There's nothing wrong with a colourful colour rich UI. It works for this game so it's best to leave it as is.

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So now we know why price increase was needed.
To deal with "color pollution"!

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Just bring back how it was and let's pretend this change never happend.

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I must agree to the previous speakers. "Colour pollution" is nothing that ever came to my mind when navigating through MZ. Look at the traffic lights. Everbody knows top light means Stop, bottom light means Go. But still they are coloured, because there is a psychological effect that makes the signals be understood faster and easier. It's just so simple. You don't need to recognize a pattern or the placement of a symbol, what would demand some extra steps cognitively. Please.

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And clicking on the actual running training camps atm leads to the TC overview page instead of opening the extra TC progress window. I assume thats no feature but a bug.

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And please make the overall skill number bold. I heard it's an important value, too. I'd rather wish to have the option to sort players by this number.

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The new UI has really sucked the personality out of owning a team

Odp: [Update] Enhanced player profile page

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Color pollution is a real thing and term but come on, this is not a website for accountants or tax filling system but football manager game :) I can't imagine any manager complaining that there are too many colors in MZ.

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had anyone ever complained on how the players where shown ? seems like a very bad spot to spend time and money on.

worst update done since i started playing mz.

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aquarius wrote:
- The different colors of the buttons used to help quickly finding what's wanted. For example the the orange training camp button or the black observe button (now they all are black). I miss it.

- When all tactics a player is situated in were visible at once, it was easy to for example sort the overview by players that are part of friendly tactic 1, scroll through them and see which of them are also part of friendly tactic 2. Now you have to click into the tactics sub-chooser for every single player. That's increasing the work.


Strongly Agreed.

Also, Stats as height and weight are completely irrelevant. It's a complete waste of space and other important stats as total balls, value, and if the player go to de tc, and the last training are just more difficult to identify.

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kostrzak16 wrote:
Color pollution is a real thing and term but come on, this is not a website for accountants or tax filling system but football manager game :) I can't imagine any manager complaining that there are too many colors in MZ.


They really did that change for color pollution?

I really have no words to describe how pathetic that is. I'm amazed.

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What a coincidence, a dying game matched with such colors

Ant: [Update] Enhanced player profile page

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Like this. So far this is the most common feedback.

- users who respond here are unanimous about the "color pollution". No one is bothered by that. On the contrary. The color helps them navigate the website.
- the lack of the total number of balls on the "shortlist" is a great loss


We understand the effort to improve the gaming experience via mobile devices. But that effort has brought with it too many disadvantages, as it turns out.

In addition to the lack of color that brought clarity, I also noticed some minor impurities when I logged into my PC.

- Players' balls on the TL are shown larger than normal (110%).
- shortlisted players who are on the TL their value and salary is incorrect (x10 probably)
- Self-added notes are relatively large in relation to the player profile.
- The choice to put the data fields in bold and not the data (what the eye is looking for) seems unfortunate to me.
- The term goals instead of the ball icon is not an improvement in readability.
- putting the number of cards in italics breaks with the other data and is unnecessary.
- the indication of the need for playing time in terms of form is not so clear

Personally, in addition to Jerdefox's suggestion, I also had the suggestion to always display a player's nationality next to the player name, as is the case on the TL.

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New colors

 
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